No, I'm kidding. Yuri is pos-neutral on Gil, upgraded from neg-neutral. Really, Yuri dig get a pretty good first impression of Gil back when they were first introduced but then Gil kept upsetting Vincent by getting hurt so Yuri became progressively more :T :T. But he has softened now that he actually has a vague handle on Gil's personality he finds his awkwardness a bit endearing, especially compared to Vincent's replete smoothness. He will slowly circle the third Nightray brother until he has his trust.
Vincent's feeling on Yuri hanging with Gil, if he knew.
He really wouldn't mind. Yuri has shown himself to know very well how far to go with and around the topic of Gilbert, so Vincent trusts him in that arena to an extent. It doesn't hurt that Gilbert is rather hard to get a hold of, so Vincent doesn't have to worry about a solid line of contact between them.
So, when is Yuri going to end up asking the question? The question being will Vincent go with him.
PROBABLY NOT ANYTIME SOON. He is waiting for... some moment. Mostly, he doesn't want to spring too much on Vincent too fast. And he doesn't want to steal Gilbert's brother from under his nose. He'd like to have a solid relationship with the third Nightray brother before talks of going here or there., otherwise it just seems sneaky,
Real quick, sketch out for me how you think Vincent will react to being asked. And then you can just shoot me questions.
Except where Yuri is going to ask Elliot real soon. Uh-huh. Also, that icon is really hot.
Umm, he would probably laugh at Yuri. Then, he would tell Yuri to convince Oz to go to Terca if he wanted Vincent to come along. I mean, that's if we're still working under the facade that Vincent is being very sly about his own reasons and wants. I can't picture the other side of it . . . I still need to mull that over. So much Vincent things to do . . .
Yuri would do it if that's what it took to stay with Vincent and Elliot. However, he'd probably do something like use his boon to travel freely to Terca Lumireis or something cheaterly like that. At this point separating himself form home and separating himself from Vincent and Ellie would be equally hard decisions, so if he HAD to choose between the two it would really fuck him up.
Hibari can be hot while he is killing things. Speaking of, how do you feel about Hibari Vincent?
See, Kyouko can threaten and snipe at Vincent, but she also has a really human side to her that is just charming to him.
. . . And Hibari doesn't have that. So, Vincent knows to keep from getting him started and doesn't plan on more than lightly engaging Hibari, because that is a thorn in his side that really doesn't need. After that, there isn't much to be done with him. He doesn't lend to manipulation and he already went in a good direction for Vincent, so there's no need to move or bend him. Really, Hibari could mirror a lot of relationships Vincent has with the team already, but he's so disengaged because of that quirk called logic.
Reverse. And Hibari had better not wake Vincent up with a tonfa.
Really, Vincent intrigued Hibari straight from the get go! He's smart, smart enough to have fangs. That's kind of a new category for Hibari. Hibari himself is rather smart and knows how to work the system, though normally he's so fucking strong he doesn't need to bother. Point is, he appreciates intelligence, which is why he has been willing to listen to Vincent's opinion. When Vincent told him that the various teammates had different strengths that actually stuck with him, and made him more tolerant of the more emotional members of the team.
Honestly, Vincent probably has nothing to worry about in terms pf physical violence. Hibari knows he is not a fighter. But he will continue to kind of lazily prod Vincent when he's bored to see if he gets any bite.
Can't think of another question right now so just leave me some.
I always like to play with significant character relationships with my starters so probably something that has as little of Yuri as possible just so I can play with it. '-' Also probably something that would remind him of his dedication to justice and the law to cement those core values. But beyond that I haven't really dug in too much yet.
She hurt Vincent unnecessarily, so Yuri is not really kindly disposed to her at all--not that he was terribly so in the first place. It's hard to say how it will play out, because for the most part people have fun at her games, so he wouldn't want to throw a cog in the works just for revenge, but he isn't exactly going to be playing nice, either.
He looooooooves him a lot a lot. :x But he also is a little bit unsure about several things. Mostly that doing anything intimate requires quite a bit of coaxing. He's definitely willing to put in the effort, but he wishes that Gil were a little bit more relaxed about him. The secrecy thing also bothers him a bit. And the master dominance. He just wants Gil to be more comfortable and willing to be proud of what they have and confident enough to stand up to Oz when he feels it matters.
THOSE ARE THE PAIN POINTS but really he loves having Gil and spending time with him and it's one of the places in Aather where he feels he can relax and be himself. :x
He's torn on it! Because he knows there is probably still a conflict to be resolved back home and he's a major part in it. But on the other hand, he's aware that going home is pretty much a death sentence. His seal's far enough along and he'll probably still need that power to fix things. But by the same token while staying in Aather would give him the chance to save more of the worlds and help out here, he wouldn't want to do so unless he can convince everyone from his world to stay as well, including Alice, who's still in the Book, and Gil, who even he thinks should really go back because it's what Elliot wants for him and it's what's best for his family. So yeah he is pretty firmly undecided on the matter. :|a
I saw your thread with Vincent up top. Would Yuri want Oz to come home to Terca with him?
Yuri has settled with being mildly intrigued by Aather. It will be an interesting challenge to rebuild his fighting style ground up, and there appear to be a lot of people around to fight. He really doesn't give a fuck about his memories. All he cares about is fighting, and the Personae seem like they might be strong... Also he gets on surprisingly well with most of Iolite so he can deal with being on a team as long as they don't suck.
Enma is PRETTY OK with Aather so far, because with a few exceptions his experience has been People Are Nice And Helpful And Games Are Fun And Personae Are Also Nice, Or Soft. Which in the grand scheme of AATHER is kind of hilarious. But mostly he's equal parts amazed and confused by all the... niceness... it's not what he expected and basically owns him hilariously. Also he loves Citrine to pieces.
How strong do I have to be before you start trying to beat me again 8D
Really he will probably just do it for fun now and again... I don't think Iolite has good luck at skill games though so Enma you might be in luck.
How IS Citrine doing these days? I used to have Kazu on it, so. What would you say the moral disposition of the team is? What does Enma love about them?
Gosh. Well I think a while ago they were doing super bad and like running off in all different directions and not playing well with each other! But then Mitsuru showed up and I think she's kind of magnetting them all together... and then Enma showed up and Percy was like WE WILL PROTECT YOUUU and Mitsuru was nice and Drift was like '-' and Riku was casual-teasing and Vriska was hilarious so he was like [IMMEDIATE DUCKLING]
I... think Citrine has morals. I mean. They certainly have Citrine-centered morals in the sense that I'm pretty sure that if one of them got shanked the remainder would shank the offending shanker... and I think that between Percy and Mitsuru they also have conventional morals, like, you know, thou shalt not kill. On the other hand we have Drift who nobody ever informed that people are not food, and Vriska who is a mspa troll. So it VARIES, I SUPPOSE
I guessss if I had to sum up what he likes about the team in specific it would be the 'supportive but not weird about it' thing, as well as the fact that Citrine isn't exactly very OUTGOING and HEY LET'S THROW PARTIES so it's kind of A Safe Space.
How is Iolite doing :|aa I don't pay enough attention to other teams...
It's hard to say, since we just got Kyouko back but the forecast is Pretty Fucking Crazy. I think Spitfire and Jaina are the only two left with anything approaching morals. Other than that... Iolite is not a very 'teamy' team. We are mostly independent individuals with individual relationships on the team, though we have had a couple of guys where we have pulled together to expose a very special and unique Iolite team spirit... A spirit of hookers and killing things...?
He feels like he can't open his mouth without saying something that will upset Raven, though he does want to keep trying. He mostly just keeps being HIGHLY CONFUSED by exactly what Raven wants out of him, and why Raven thinks he needs some kind of intervention. He's also slightly resentful that Raven wants so MUCH information about his private life but does not extend any apparent trust back to him. He'd love to be able to tell Raven that he is happy and in love with Vincent to assuage Raven's worries that he is is some kind of self-destructive spiral, but he doesn't want to wave these things in front of Raven's face. And he'd congratulate him on Beatrice if he had any kind of idea that Raven was serious but, well, all he has seen Raven do is FAIL at relationships so at this point it's just like come ON. Put your money where your mouth is and then I'll congratulate you. And he really will be earnestly happy for Raven; it will really please him to see Raven flourishing, even if it's something he has to see from afar.
I am all about short answers tonight so feel free to ask for expansion in any specific areas...
What does Raven think of Vincent's view of Yuri? Does he think Vincent had any valid points?
Nnnnno not really. Most of what Vincent said just reinforced what Raven thought already: that Yuri doesn't think of himself as a good person or want to believe that he has done or can do really good things, that the only thing he thinks he can do is take damage and that Vincent wanting to hurt him is a cause of that, and that he is so convinced that this is what he should be doing that he's satisfied with it and won't listen to anyone trying to make him think otherwise. THE ONLY POSSIBLE EXCEPTION REALLY is Elliot, where Raven is willing to believe Yuri has maybe been a helpful supportive influence, but he knows almost nothing about that other than what Vincent said, so that's more an "okay maybe there's something there" than anything solid. Mostly he was like "okay fine Vincent maybe from your perspective he's trying to help people because he's trying to help you, and maybe Elliot, but he is not trying to help himself and you are not trying to help him either. And he's not trying to help anyone else."
Why does Yuri think Raven is asking for so much private information when Raven literally said he just wants Yuri to talk to him about anything at all about himself? And what would he like Raven to trust him with that Raven hasn't? (Part of Raven's thing is that he has shared a lot of personal stuff with Yuri, that Yuri doesn't even really seem to care about lately.)
Yuri ALSO thinks he has shared plenty of personal things with Raven! Things about his time in the knights, things about his childhood, about his insecurities re: being a worthy person, and, as Vincent pointed out, Raven is the only one who has any inclination that his relationship with Vincent is violent, which was only half an accident. Really, Raven knows more about him than anyone else in Aather (bar Vincent), including his best friend Chariot. And Yuri is not someone who is super inclined to share his feelings to begin with, so it's hard for him to see how that's NOT sharing personal information. He showed Raven the childhood memory, which was really a huge amount of personal information he would have rather not have shown him. But it keeps coming around in the same endless circle.
1. Raven wants to know the details of what goes on between him and Vincent. 2. Yuri isn't going to tell him. 3. Raven accuses him not not caring about his feelings because he never tells him anything.
And it's points the 3 point that Raven doesn't trust him on, which is significant because it seems to be the lens through which Raven filters everything Yuri says and does. Oh, Yuri is bringing up Vincent because he cares about him, not me; Oh Yuri isn't telling me the details because he doesn't care about me. And it baffles Yuri why Raven can't see that he does care since 1. He has a history of caring about Raven 2. He has shared (actually shared, as in been there with) a lot of his personal history with Raven 3. He has SAID he cares about Raven 4. He continuously tries to reconcile with him.
And the only reason Yuri brings Vincent up in the first place is to address Raven's concerns that he's letting Vincent do emotionally and physically harmful things to him. It's kind of a big deal to him that his friend who has shown A LOT of concern for his physical well-being thinks he's in a abusive relationship, and Yuri would like to relieve him of that worry and demonstrate that he is in fact happy and not in some kind of a self-destructive spiral. So he would like Raven to trust him when he says he has a good relationship with Vincent, though it's reasonable that he doesn't given what he knows. But Yuri isn't going to budge and spill the details, so he's not really sure what else he's supposed to do about it besides ask Raven to trust him.
Tell me about this new person, Erika that you are planning on apping?
THE THING IS the return version of "You should trust me enough to talk about things" is not "You should trust me enough to believe me implicitly," it is "You should also trust me enough to talk about things." And for a bit there Raven shared pretty much all of his feelings with Yuri! Though lately Raven feels like Yuri did not really absorb any of it. Meanwhile Vincent is not actually the only thing Yuri has flat-out refused to talk about. They fought about that plenty even before Vincent was even in the picture - the chair-tying fight was purely a lack of self-worth thing, and that is still Raven's major concern with Yuri. And even in canon he would not implicitly trust that Yuri wasn't doing something self-destructive on his own and not telling him about it, because Yuri... does that in canon too. It's only worse in Aather because of all the stuff that's happened.
BUT OKAY ERIKA :'D Let's see if I can be more concise than I was in my app. (Which I actually just submitted yesterday, yay)
Erika is teenage girl who is a self-proclaimed detective and intellectual rapist! Umineko is essentially a meta fight of mystery vs. fantasy via attempts to explain a bunch of closed-room murders on an isolated island without magic. There are actually several alternate universe "games" where the murders happen differently but all with basically the same result (all 18 people on the island dead). Erika shows up in the fifth game, playing on the mystery side. She coincidentally falls off a cruise ship and washes up on the island just before the murders start and the family takes her in as a guest, so she's set up to be the detective of the story.
And she is kind of completely crazy. While she's capable of acting polite enough, she loves solving puzzles and being right and doesn't care whose feelings she stomps on in the process. And the process may involve climbing around a house in the dead of night in a typhoon to duct tape all the windows closed... before anything has actually even happened. Or secretly chopping the heads off murder victims to make sure they aren't actually just playing dead. Basically she wants to completely crush and humilate her opponents in any logic battle, no matter how trivial, and whatever she has to do to do that doesn't matter. :'D She also haaaaaates losing and being wrong, and punishes subordinates who fail her by ordering them to stand on one leg with their hands at their sides and not catch themselves when she shoves them over to fall on their faces dozens of times... and stuff like that...
I'm pretty sure she could give anyone in Aather a run for their money on the cruel and unhinged front, essentially. Beatrice is basically no longer a player by the time Erika shows up, but compared to Erika Beatrice is... actually relatively kind and fair, at least meta-ly. I still don't... know what team Erika will be on or how it will work out at all but she should be... very interesting... in games in particular. Assuming I don't reconsider the merits of this app before she gets placed.
Do you have any specific stuff you want to do with Hibari? Does he have stuff he wants to do? (Other than fight people I guess?)
Yuri is relieeeved Yuri is Judy back in time. After all th drama with Raven Judy is like a breath of fresh air. She gives him hope that they will be able to fix things, because somehow Judy always makes things easy. He got the memory of hunting her down after she destroyed the ship's blastia but he also knows they resolved things so he doesn't sweat it too much. He's look forward to hanging out and getting to know her again.
Judy is glad to be back, and really wants to just chill with Yuri. So if it means having fighting dates and then getting drunk on the beach, that is actually preferable to her. Especially since she's kind of aware of how she went off the deep end right before she got put in the book-- so she just wants some of that normalcy. And the thing about Yuri is that he is one of those people that can give her that? Though she is a little concerned about what Raven told her about Yuri, she also thinks that Raven's likely completely misunderstanding him. It just sounds so contrary to who Yuri is, to her. So, yeah, she's just going to be chill with him.
How much is the misunderstanding with Raven affecting him in Aather, out of curiosity? Not so much the why or internal, but if it's affecting his outward actions any.
Honestly Yuri likes Guy; he is just a really cool, chilled out guy and he would like to hang out with him more. He is slowly getting over his kneejerk FLYNN!!11 reaction--or, at least, it is settling down into a kind of wistfulness. He is aware that Guy is NOTHING like Flynn, which helps. He's also aware that Guy is the one with the 'power' in the relationship and it's... weird and flsutering but not in a BAD way, it's just very NEW...
Gil on Yuri is pretty complicated, but most of it has been very negative. When you take a Gilbert, who is very neurotic and low self esteem already, and make MOST of his amnesia development about keeping family a priority on a level he was incapable of before (reexamining his past behavior and mistakes, his own fault or not, and trying to correct his drive with the right priorities preemptively - trying to keep Vincent close, and honest, to him, and trying not to let a wide gap spread between himself and Elliot) - a sudden Perfect Brother They Both Trust More thrown into the works makes things a lot more difficult. Over the course of Aather, he and Vincent are still much, muuch closer than they ever were in canon, but the openness between them is closing fast and Gil is aware enough at this time to notice. He feels powerless about it, since he's already tried getting pissed and fighting, begging, amping up intimacy - the works! But despite his position, and BECAUSE of it, he is in the absolute worst position for what he wants and it gets to him sometimes. Especially when he is stewing over things he has no idea about (yuri and vincent's relationship, yuri and elliot's relationship...) because it gives him free reign to imagine how it must be EXACTLY WHAT THEY NEED and NOT AT ALL LIKE WHAT HE CAN DO and FINE '-' I JUST '-' WILL SUCK '-' IN THE GIL CORNER '-' now that you have a brother that doesn't suck
He's been able to genuinely give his blessing without a fit and even accepts him as a Nightray, which is HILARIOUS that I just typed that because Gil used to not give two fucks about "Nightray" but elliot basically beat it into him here to the point where it is actually very important, because it's another place he "belongs"and it's basically just Elliot and Vincent. Yuri felt hardcore like an encroacher. But Gil still gave his blessing honestly i guess because Vincent successfully timed a "I love him" in there. And Elliot adores him!
So Yuri is good for Gil in that he actually was able to scrounge a pretty reasonable reaction from Mr. Gilbert NO YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE ME WHAT IF YOU LIKE ME LESS STOP HANGING OUT WITH OTHER PEOPLE!!! Nightray.
But at the same time Yuri's existence has basically made him roll up and start expediting exactly what he's so afraid of, which is he's getting more distant from Elliot and Vincent. His insecurity is perpetuating his fears :x
Actually Talking With Him is very new and he found himself interested in him, and at first he was SO AWKWARD he rolled into irritated, but just talking helped at least sort things out to a decent neutral. Being the ONLY NIGHTRAY who knows about his relationship with Oz is also odd and unique footing for Yuri. IDK, keep prodding him, Yuri actually wanting to include him in this New Wave Nightray thing is different.
GUY on the other hand actually has a pretty simple strong positive feelings on Yuri. He likes him quite a lot now. He is actually one of the people he flirts with the most, even though practically all of it is teasing him 8D; After he decided to just top him all the time things have basically gone swimmingly on his end. Now that Yuri is becoming more comfortable too it is more of an actual "Hm I want to really hang out with him more" thing. He did make a good first impression or two before That Incident after all, and he's Judy's friend and he wants to know more about him. Oh and he WAS genuinely annoyed at being overcompared with Flynn :x He's over it though, and maaybe feels a little bad for being so harsh on him. Maybe.
Hibari we should fight =|a also. What is your opinion on TYL Hibari's position of Knowing Everything in dat arc I'M JUST CURIOUS, TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR THOUGHTS ON REBORN
He was very u n s u r e at first in the sense that he didn't want to take away anyone else's nice thing, but things have settled surprisingly well! Slick's boyfriend is an adult-type thing and Slick is an adult and Yuri is an adult so it's like welp :/ It's a little bemusing; Yuri is used to either one night stands or seeing other people in committed monogamous relationships. With the latter, he never really thought that was for him, for a number of reasons. But he assumed that he was largely an outlier. It's somewhat comforting to see a relationship like Slick and Allen's where they are clearly together but not in the traditional sense. In general, Yuri is still kind of tentative about because he wants to be respectful but he's happy enough to have the benefits.
I GENERALLY DON'T REALLY WANT TO DO SPECIFIC THINGS.... i'm bad at that. I tend to have some early goals when I first get a character but after that I just float along until stuff happens...
So ROUGHLY I want Slick to get more CR, I want Zelda to top everyone, I want to play Saguaro, I want Lucifer's pretending to have feelings to come into play in less subtle ways, I want Elliot to... keep being himself ya, and Dawn to CR with his team better =|a
THAT'S IT.
Did Lucifer poking at Yuri's issues cause any adjustment re: Lucifer? Will he avoid him now? etc.
NOT REALLY. Yuri was in a vulnerable mindset at the time but now he has that shit on lockdown, so he'll be hard to crack. The reason he likes Lucy to begin with is that he's nosy and objectively curiously, so after he calmed down that incident was just par for the course.
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Date: 2012-01-13 06:31 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-01-13 06:49 am (UTC)No, I'm kidding. Yuri is pos-neutral on Gil, upgraded from neg-neutral. Really, Yuri dig get a pretty good first impression of Gil back when they were first introduced but then Gil kept upsetting Vincent by getting hurt so Yuri became progressively more :T :T. But he has softened now that he actually has a vague handle on Gil's personality he finds his awkwardness a bit endearing, especially compared to Vincent's replete smoothness. He will slowly circle the third Nightray brother until he has his trust.
Vincent's feeling on Yuri hanging with Gil, if he knew.
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Date: 2012-01-13 06:53 am (UTC)He really wouldn't mind. Yuri has shown himself to know very well how far to go with and around the topic of Gilbert, so Vincent trusts him in that arena to an extent. It doesn't hurt that Gilbert is rather hard to get a hold of, so Vincent doesn't have to worry about a solid line of contact between them.
So, when is Yuri going to end up asking the question? The question being will Vincent go with him.
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Date: 2012-01-13 06:56 am (UTC)Real quick, sketch out for me how you think Vincent will react to being asked. And then you can just shoot me questions.
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Date: 2012-01-13 07:07 am (UTC)Umm, he would probably laugh at Yuri. Then, he would tell Yuri to convince Oz to go to Terca if he wanted Vincent to come along. I mean, that's if we're still working under the facade that Vincent is being very sly about his own reasons and wants. I can't picture the other side of it . . . I still need to mull that over. So much Vincent things to do . . .
What about staying in Aather?
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Date: 2012-01-13 07:14 am (UTC)Hibari can be hot while he is killing things. Speaking of, how do you feel about Hibari Vincent?
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Date: 2012-01-13 07:19 am (UTC). . . And Hibari doesn't have that. So, Vincent knows to keep from getting him started and doesn't plan on more than lightly engaging Hibari, because that is a thorn in his side that really doesn't need. After that, there isn't much to be done with him. He doesn't lend to manipulation and he already went in a good direction for Vincent, so there's no need to move or bend him. Really, Hibari could mirror a lot of relationships Vincent has with the team already, but he's so disengaged because of that quirk called logic.
Reverse. And Hibari had better not wake Vincent up with a tonfa.
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Date: 2012-01-13 07:45 am (UTC)Honestly, Vincent probably has nothing to worry about in terms pf physical violence. Hibari knows he is not a fighter. But he will continue to kind of lazily prod Vincent when he's bored to see if he gets any bite.
Can't think of another question right now so just leave me some.
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Date: 2012-01-13 06:51 am (UTC)Have you thought about Flynn's starter?
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Date: 2012-01-13 06:56 am (UTC)I always like to play with significant character relationships with my starters so probably something that has as little of Yuri as possible just so I can play with it. '-' Also probably something that would remind him of his dedication to justice and the law to cement those core values. But beyond that I haven't really dug in too much yet.
hey Yuri how much do you loove your mommy? :)
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Date: 2012-01-13 07:10 am (UTC)How does Oz feel about having Gil as a boyfriend?
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Date: 2012-01-13 07:23 am (UTC)THOSE ARE THE PAIN POINTS but really he loves having Gil and spending time with him and it's one of the places in Aather where he feels he can relax and be himself. :x
Who is Yuri's favorite Persona?
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Date: 2012-01-13 07:10 pm (UTC)Is Oz planning on going home or staying in Aather?
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Date: 2012-01-13 11:19 pm (UTC)I saw your thread with Vincent up top. Would Yuri want Oz to come home to Terca with him?
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Date: 2012-01-13 06:42 am (UTC)How does Hibari feel about Aather...
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Date: 2012-01-13 06:53 am (UTC)Reverse!
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Date: 2012-01-13 06:58 am (UTC)How strong do I have to be before you start trying to beat me again 8D
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Date: 2012-01-13 07:17 am (UTC)How IS Citrine doing these days? I used to have Kazu on it, so. What would you say the moral disposition of the team is? What does Enma love about them?
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Date: 2012-01-13 07:27 am (UTC)I... think Citrine has morals. I mean. They certainly have Citrine-centered morals in the sense that I'm pretty sure that if one of them got shanked the remainder would shank the offending shanker... and I think that between Percy and Mitsuru they also have conventional morals, like, you know, thou shalt not kill. On the other hand we have Drift who nobody ever informed that people are not food, and Vriska who is a mspa troll. So it VARIES, I SUPPOSE
I guessss if I had to sum up what he likes about the team in specific it would be the 'supportive but not weird about it' thing, as well as the fact that Citrine isn't exactly very OUTGOING and HEY LET'S THROW PARTIES so it's kind of A Safe Space.
How is Iolite doing :|aa I don't pay enough attention to other teams...
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Date: 2012-01-13 07:55 am (UTC)How is Enma feeling about Reborn-verse?
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Date: 2012-01-13 08:13 am (UTC)He feels like he can't open his mouth without saying something that will upset Raven, though he does want to keep trying. He mostly just keeps being HIGHLY CONFUSED by exactly what Raven wants out of him, and why Raven thinks he needs some kind of intervention. He's also slightly resentful that Raven wants so MUCH information about his private life but does not extend any apparent trust back to him. He'd love to be able to tell Raven that he is happy and in love with Vincent to assuage Raven's worries that he is is some kind of self-destructive spiral, but he doesn't want to wave these things in front of Raven's face. And he'd congratulate him on Beatrice if he had any kind of idea that Raven was serious but, well, all he has seen Raven do is FAIL at relationships so at this point it's just like come ON. Put your money where your mouth is and then I'll congratulate you. And he really will be earnestly happy for Raven; it will really please him to see Raven flourishing, even if it's something he has to see from afar.
I am all about short answers tonight so feel free to ask for expansion in any specific areas...
What does Raven think of Vincent's view of Yuri? Does he think Vincent had any valid points?
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Date: 2012-01-13 08:36 am (UTC)Why does Yuri think Raven is asking for so much private information when Raven literally said he just wants Yuri to talk to him about anything at all about himself? And what would he like Raven to trust him with that Raven hasn't? (Part of Raven's thing is that he has shared a lot of personal stuff with Yuri, that Yuri doesn't even really seem to care about lately.)
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Date: 2012-01-13 07:00 pm (UTC)1. Raven wants to know the details of what goes on between him and Vincent.
2. Yuri isn't going to tell him.
3. Raven accuses him not not caring about his feelings because he never tells him anything.
And it's points the 3 point that Raven doesn't trust him on, which is significant because it seems to be the lens through which Raven filters everything Yuri says and does. Oh, Yuri is bringing up Vincent because he cares about him, not me; Oh Yuri isn't telling me the details because he doesn't care about me. And it baffles Yuri why Raven can't see that he does care since 1. He has a history of caring about Raven 2. He has shared (actually shared, as in been there with) a lot of his personal history with Raven 3. He has SAID he cares about Raven 4. He continuously tries to reconcile with him.
And the only reason Yuri brings Vincent up in the first place is to address Raven's concerns that he's letting Vincent do emotionally and physically harmful things to him. It's kind of a big deal to him that his friend who has shown A LOT of concern for his physical well-being thinks he's in a abusive relationship, and Yuri would like to relieve him of that worry and demonstrate that he is in fact happy and not in some kind of a self-destructive spiral. So he would like Raven to trust him when he says he has a good relationship with Vincent, though it's reasonable that he doesn't given what he knows. But Yuri isn't going to budge and spill the details, so he's not really sure what else he's supposed to do about it besides ask Raven to trust him.
Tell me about this new person, Erika that you are planning on apping?
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Date: 2012-01-14 12:53 am (UTC)BUT OKAY ERIKA :'D Let's see if I can be more concise than I was in my app. (Which I actually just submitted yesterday, yay)
Erika is teenage girl who is a self-proclaimed detective and intellectual rapist! Umineko is essentially a meta fight of mystery vs. fantasy via attempts to explain a bunch of closed-room murders on an isolated island without magic. There are actually several alternate universe "games" where the murders happen differently but all with basically the same result (all 18 people on the island dead). Erika shows up in the fifth game, playing on the mystery side. She coincidentally falls off a cruise ship and washes up on the island just before the murders start and the family takes her in as a guest, so she's set up to be the detective of the story.
And she is kind of completely crazy. While she's capable of acting polite enough, she loves solving puzzles and being right and doesn't care whose feelings she stomps on in the process. And the process may involve climbing around a house in the dead of night in a typhoon to duct tape all the windows closed... before anything has actually even happened. Or secretly chopping the heads off murder victims to make sure they aren't actually just playing dead. Basically she wants to completely crush and humilate her opponents in any logic battle, no matter how trivial, and whatever she has to do to do that doesn't matter. :'D She also haaaaaates losing and being wrong, and punishes subordinates who fail her by ordering them to stand on one leg with their hands at their sides and not catch themselves when she shoves them over to fall on their faces dozens of times... and stuff like that...
I'm pretty sure she could give anyone in Aather a run for their money on the cruel and unhinged front, essentially. Beatrice is basically no longer a player by the time Erika shows up, but compared to Erika Beatrice is... actually relatively kind and fair, at least meta-ly. I still don't... know what team Erika will be on or how it will work out at all but she should be... very interesting... in games in particular. Assuming I don't reconsider the merits of this app before she gets placed.
Do you have any specific stuff you want to do with Hibari? Does he have stuff he wants to do? (Other than fight people I guess?)
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Date: 2012-01-13 04:34 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-01-13 07:23 pm (UTC)Reverse?
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Date: 2012-01-13 07:30 pm (UTC)How much is the misunderstanding with Raven affecting him in Aather, out of curiosity? Not so much the why or internal, but if it's affecting his outward actions any.
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Date: 2012-01-13 07:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-01-13 07:31 pm (UTC)Best
1. friendly
2. proactive/hardworking
3. pretty
4. adventurous
5. great cook '-'
Worst
1. impulsive
2. distant
3. violent
4. blunt/disrespectful
5. idk dating Vincent, depending on who you ask.
... reverse for Mukuro
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Date: 2012-01-13 08:57 pm (UTC)he's childish, selfish, narrowminded, lazy and hateful tho ....
How are Hibari and Dino doin'!
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Date: 2012-01-13 07:15 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-01-13 11:34 pm (UTC)Revere~
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Date: 2012-01-13 11:39 pm (UTC)What's Hibari's take on Aather in general right now?
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Date: 2012-01-13 11:45 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-01-13 11:48 pm (UTC)Day in the life of Hibari?
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Date: 2012-01-13 11:35 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-01-13 11:44 pm (UTC)Reverse; Gil and Guy on Yuri.
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Date: 2012-01-14 12:11 am (UTC)He's been able to genuinely give his blessing without a fit and even accepts him as a Nightray, which is HILARIOUS that I just typed that because Gil used to not give two fucks about "Nightray" but elliot basically beat it into him here to the point where it is actually very important, because it's another place he "belongs"and it's basically just Elliot and Vincent. Yuri felt hardcore like an encroacher. But Gil still gave his blessing honestly i guess because Vincent successfully timed a "I love him" in there. And Elliot adores him!
So Yuri is good for Gil in that he actually was able to scrounge a pretty reasonable reaction from Mr. Gilbert NO YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE ME WHAT IF YOU LIKE ME LESS STOP HANGING OUT WITH OTHER PEOPLE!!! Nightray.
But at the same time Yuri's existence has basically made him roll up and start expediting exactly what he's so afraid of, which is he's getting more distant from Elliot and Vincent. His insecurity is perpetuating his fears :x
Actually Talking With Him is very new and he found himself interested in him, and at first he was SO AWKWARD he rolled into irritated, but just talking helped at least sort things out to a decent neutral. Being the ONLY NIGHTRAY who knows about his relationship with Oz is also odd and unique footing for Yuri. IDK, keep prodding him, Yuri actually wanting to include him in this New Wave Nightray thing is different.
GUY on the other hand actually has a pretty simple strong positive feelings on Yuri. He likes him quite a lot now. He is actually one of the people he flirts with the most, even though practically all of it is teasing him 8D; After he decided to just top him all the time things have basically gone swimmingly on his end. Now that Yuri is becoming more comfortable too it is more of an actual "Hm I want to really hang out with him more" thing. He did make a good first impression or two before That Incident after all, and he's Judy's friend and he wants to know more about him. Oh and he WAS genuinely annoyed at being overcompared with Flynn :x He's over it though, and maaybe feels a little bad for being so harsh on him. Maybe.
Hibari we should fight =|a also. What is your opinion on TYL Hibari's position of Knowing Everything in dat arc I'M JUST CURIOUS, TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR THOUGHTS ON REBORN
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Date: 2012-01-14 07:40 am (UTC)!!!
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Date: 2012-01-14 07:59 am (UTC)Essay about things you want to do in RP.
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Date: 2012-01-14 08:18 am (UTC)So ROUGHLY I want Slick to get more CR, I want Zelda to top everyone, I want to play Saguaro, I want Lucifer's pretending to have feelings to come into play in less subtle ways, I want Elliot to... keep being himself ya, and Dawn to CR with his team better =|a
THAT'S IT.
Did Lucifer poking at Yuri's issues cause any adjustment re: Lucifer? Will he avoid him now? etc.
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Date: 2012-01-15 09:58 pm (UTC)Reverse~?